Tank in the DPS meta

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Márkusz wrote:
Remade my Aegis build to see what numbers I can get, and it became a much better version than the old one:





Tree: https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAUDAAFvBAcFLQthDXwOPA5cEVAUcRXXGyUc3B0UHU8fAiFgIvQo-imlLKYsvy0fNAo1uTbFN2Y3gzpSPC1AoENjQ8hFfka3SbFLrkyzTlJPBFWpVkhWY1fJWfNca14TYVJmVGaeaFhoZWjyagFq-mwLbRlxTXIPcql08Xaseu9-bH_GgOCCB4NfhEiGYIauidiLeox2jxqPRpIrkyeUb5e0mK2az5swnjyhL6UYpuunCKcrrKqvbLcxt2i4k76KwcXDbcT2xq7PftAf02_XateW18_YJNlb2Xza3eL36QLqGOq66-7sGO9O74jv6_JB8933MvfB-Ov5N_rS?accountName=M%C3%A1rkusz&characterName=M%C3%A1rkuszTheBearded

Setup 1: Determination + Grace
Setup 2: Determination + Discipline

Stats:
ES: Setup 1: 14440, Setup 2: 16680
Armour with Flasks: Setup 1: 119920, Setup 2: 87713
ES Gain per block: Setup 1: 4797, Setup 2: 3509
Armour without Flasks: 24458, Setup 2: 8465
ES Gain per block without flasks: Setup 1: 978, Setup 2: 338
Block: 78/78
Crit multi reduction: 50%
Resists: max: 76/80/76 total: 165/137/105
Dodge: 8% againts crits (boots enchant)
Swapping in the rare belt gives 8k armour and 200 ES.

Conclusion: The build can gain as much ES per block as some people have as total EHP, yes it's op. I've tested against Rupenus' and KeilC's KB, and HarleyCue's Fireball, and they can't reliably kill it, sometimes it takes several bursts to kill me, sometimes I live long enough my Anvil alone kills HarleyCue from far range (4k ES?). I still die a lot, the block rng is not strong enough long term, but most things below the mentioned opponents are tankable. Secondary damage, Scorching etc are not dealt with, it's not meant for it, roll a dps build for that lol.

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1.6K ES* to be precise :)

I'd say I can fairly reliably kill your tank tho. I just have to stop firing if anvil starts dropping me down.
Crit Shockwave Totem 650k +: #1657327 / Crit VMS (1 mil DPS): #1511368 / Crit self-cast spark: #1565708
1.3 crit firestorm: #1280086 / 1.3 crit Ice Nova: #1219809 / Flame Nova (sire of shards incinerate): #1359847
Hey why do you use blade flurry+cwc+Firestorm? the firestorm just recharge ES of other Aegis guys or maybe im wrong?
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Simplesim45 wrote:
1.6K ES* to be precise :)

I'd say I can fairly reliably kill your tank tho. I just have to stop firing if anvil starts dropping me down.


Since we tested I allocated 2 more ascendancy points into ES and Armour, and I also had wrong belt on with no crit reduction.

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Hey why do you use blade flurry+cwc+Firestorm? the firestorm just recharge ES of other Aegis guys or maybe im wrong?


Let's be real, you won't kill other Aegis guys, maybe with scorching but then don't expect mercy. The main purpose of the 6L is the fortify, and blade flurry is one of the lowest mana cost channelling skill, and firestorm still has fairly ok damage without investment.
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Last edited by Márkusz on Apr 27, 2017, 8:12:20 AM
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Márkusz wrote:
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Simplesim45 wrote:
1.6K ES* to be precise :)

I'd say I can fairly reliably kill your tank tho. I just have to stop firing if anvil starts dropping me down.


Since we tested I allocated 2 more ascendancy points into ES and Armour, and I also had wrong belt on with no crit reduction.



And I had knockback in links instead of fire pen as well as no penetration enchant on boots or block pen weapons :D
Crit Shockwave Totem 650k +: #1657327 / Crit VMS (1 mil DPS): #1511368 / Crit self-cast spark: #1565708
1.3 crit firestorm: #1280086 / 1.3 crit Ice Nova: #1219809 / Flame Nova (sire of shards incinerate): #1359847
We figured it's much better to get in all the 3 auras at the same time, so I allocated 8 points into Aura nodes and got almost +2k ES and +10k Armour (97% mana reserved atm). I equipped a new elreon ring so I can still use all my skills, and a weapon with more dex:


Tree: link

New stats:
ES: 16 126
Armour with Flasks: 132 077
ES Gain per block: 5283

At this point I'm pretty sure Aegis is better than Xirgil most of the time. If you warp away all the time then Occultist is better, but then you should go Soul Strike, for facetank use Aegis.
IGN: Márkusz
My builds: thread/1600072
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Last edited by Márkusz on Apr 27, 2017, 8:26:43 PM
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Márkusz wrote:
We figured it's much better to get in all the 3 auras at the same time, so I allocated 8 points into Aura nodes and got almost +2k ES and +10k Armour (97% mana reserved atm). I equipped a new elreon ring so I can still use all my skills, and a weapon with more dex:


Tree: link

New stats:
ES: 16 126
Armour with Flasks: 132 077
ES Gain per block: 5283

At this point I'm pretty sure Aegis is better than Xirgil most of the time. If you warp away all the time then Occultist is better, but then you should go Soul Strike, for facetank use Aegis.


I find it hilarious that you can get this much armor with only about 870 armor on gear.
Crit Shockwave Totem 650k +: #1657327 / Crit VMS (1 mil DPS): #1511368 / Crit self-cast spark: #1565708
1.3 crit firestorm: #1280086 / 1.3 crit Ice Nova: #1219809 / Flame Nova (sire of shards incinerate): #1359847
So, after playing a non-pathfinder build (lul), and not relying on the immunities, I found out that Dousing flask removes current Scorching ray stacks, which as a tank can make it a lot more managable, if the opponent has CWDT setups, it can be enough to feed me with ES that I don't die, just a heads up.
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Last edited by Márkusz on Apr 28, 2017, 4:59:21 PM
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Last edited by Rupenus on Apr 28, 2017, 5:52:15 PM
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and not relying on the immunities

How is 78/78 legacy aegis not equal to damage immunity?

pathfinders have no immunity to burn, hallowed/divine mana flask of dousing is the only way to fight vs survive SR.
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a_z0_9 wrote:
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and not relying on the immunities

How is 78/78 legacy aegis not equal to damage immunity?

pathfinders have no immunity to burn, hallowed/divine mana flask of dousing is the only way to fight vs survive SR.


I obviously meant ailment immunity, and other than SR there is no reason really to run dousing on a pathfinder.

And yea, Aegis is still not damage immune, there are many ways to cheese it.
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