Trade Manifesto

real trade improvement would be when ggg finally stop emperor jewel uniq monopoly and make other way to obtain (win or get) uniq emperor jewels!

and something must be done to stop bots too
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This manifest all wrong. Prove is CH POE.
trade is very simple click and buy and we are playing all league time not just 2 weeks.
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tkots8080 wrote:
This manifest all wrong. Prove is CH POE.
trade is very simple click and buy and we are playing all league time not just 2 weeks.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but you're a minority for sure. I bet if GGG has the guts to open a poll about the quality of the Trade System, it'd be a crushing majority saying it completely sucks.
Every single league there's a point when I quit the league: The moment I have to spend more time trading than playing. I even skipped the last league because I was afraid of having to deal with the trading simulator game.

This time I tried SSF but the RNG is so high that is really hard to get the items you need, so now i just paid to have my stashes in the console version, only to have access to the trade market.

Also the bot fear is stupid, the game is already filled with bots. Do you really think a bot that can play better than a pro, can't go and trade items? Just try to trade currency and you already see bots trading.

Wanna make this better? Then make SSF characters non transferable and have increased drop rates. Then add the market board to the non-SSF.
You made another crafting league that wants me to trade all the time to use it. This trade system doesn't work because you keep developing content wants to be traded all the time. If we were just trading gear it would be fine, if trade wants anything other than gear it's broken.
So we have it,

2,5 years OF NOTHING CHANGED. Please tell me what is the purpose of that trade manifesto? Almost everyone is complaining about existing trade system, most of people want TH/AH, whatever that can automate the process and doesn't require
1: third party apps
2: closing the game
3: leaving a map or whatever activity (you're putting more and more of them) you're in
You already have premium stash tabs which can be some "personal shop tabs". Put an item, set the price, forget about it, take the profit. That should be the QoL function. And please, the argument of "it will make less interactions with players" is so stupid. "Hi, I'd like to buy xxxxxxxxxxx" > "ty"
So much interaction yea, if I want to speak with someone I can do it despite the trading.
If that outdated, not working and literally annoying system will be implemented to PoE 2.0 I won't spend even a dollar on it. Probably I won't be even playing.
DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
I don't want TH/AH and disagree with people from above. Trading system bad as it is, but proposed ideas bad too. Maybe some light improvements to current system - yes.

Trading gives so much beautiful interactions. Looking for some cool new hideout design, or trying to get item cheaper or write them with tip 10-20% so they will not ignore your trade message etc. It's some kind of skill itself.

Plus I think you want too much from trading, maybe you need more play by themselves in maps and not trade at all. Lower your trade interactions to minimal, buy only in extreme cases or sell with higher or fewer items to not be spammed with trades all the time. There is a solution for every problem you encountered.

There is a solution for every problem you have encountered. But what most people want just to automate trade and get easy peasy currency from trading for their needs. THAT IS WRONG!

Want farm currency from trading -> spend YOUR PRECIOUS TIME for this.
Want farm currency via sellign high ex gear? Map/craft/do league etc. Want to craft 100 amazing high valuable gear and get x100 of value from it? SPEND YOUR TIME again, not just be easy clicking from AH to buy 100 oils etc from automated trading to ease your money making experience.

Manifesto is trying to deliver you their message, that this is ARPG in the first place, not trading platform to farm currency for the league for you...

Manifesto already answered for 90% of your complaints and why your soltuions are BAD and WILL ruin the game more.

ITS RPG TO PLAY SLAY MONSTERS GET GEAR and NOT A TRADING SIMULATOR FOR YOUR NEEDS.

Maybe you all need to look at your time/view for the game? Take it easier/play fewer time. You just can't make a proper limit/barrier when to stop.

TLDR:
1 - Want abuse trading to get more currency from it? - spend your precious time for it, if you think it's worth.
2 - Want to play THE GAME? - play it with fewer trading operations.

And on what I more angrier than anything - it's how you write your messages to developers and tone/manner. IT'S DISGUSTING, your demands and complaints with such attitude, think more about people from company who will read it.. No one owes you anything. Write proper formal messages with your ideas how to fix/ease trading and maybe some of them will be good and will trigger in devs some future solutions to trading.
Last edited by nikpoe on Aug 17, 2020, 4:53:51 AM
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nikpoe wrote:
I don't want TH/AH and disagree with people from above. Trading system bad as it is, but proposed ideas bad too. Maybe some light improvements to current system - yes.

Trading gives so much beautiful interactions. Looking for some cool new hideout design, or trying to get item cheaper or write them with tip 10-20% so they will not ignore your trade message etc. It's some kind of skill itself.

Plus I think you want too much from trading, maybe you need more play by themselves in maps and not trade at all. Lower your trade interactions to minimal, buy only in extreme cases or sell with higher or fewer items to not be spammed with trades all the time. There is a solution for every problem you encountered.

There is a solution for every problem you have encountered. But what most people want just to automate trade and get easy peasy currency from trading for their needs. THAT IS WRONG!

Want farm currency from trading -> spend YOUR PRECIOUS TIME for this.
Want farm currency via sellign high ex gear? Map/craft/do league etc. Want to craft 100 amazing high valuable gear and get x100 of value from it? SPEND YOUR TIME again, not just be easy clicking from AH to buy 100 oils etc from automated trading to ease your money making experience.

Manifesto is trying to deliver you their message, that this is ARPG in the first place, not trading platform to farm currency for the league for you...

Manifesto already answered for 90% of your complaints and why your soltuions are BAD and WILL ruin the game more.

ITS RPG TO PLAY SLAY MONSTERS GET GEAR and NOT A TRADING SIMULATOR FOR YOUR NEEDS.

Maybe you all need to look at your time/view for the game? Take it easier/play fewer time. You just can't make a proper limit/barrier when to stop.

TLDR:
1 - Want abuse trading to get more currency from it? - spend your precious time for it, if you think it's worth.
2 - Want to play THE GAME? - play it with fewer trading operations.

And on what I more angrier than anything - it's how you write your messages to developers and tone/manner. IT'S DISGUSTING, your demands and complaints with such attitude, think more about people from company who will read it.. No one owes you anything. Write proper formal messages with your ideas how to fix/ease trading and maybe some of them will be good and will trigger in devs some future solutions to trading.

"2 - Want to play THE GAME? - play it with fewer trading operations." <<< i guess you have stopped when game was realeased and there was nothing to do. Now there are so many new mechanics that REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE GOOD ITEMS to even complete them that that argument is invalid.
"ITS RPG TO PLAY SLAY MONSTERS GET GEAR and NOT A TRADING SIMULATOR FOR YOUR NEEDS." << great, that's why we have item filters cause 99,99% (or even more) items that drop from slaying monsters are totally useless rubbish. Are you even playing PoE man?
Nearly a month after the league started, i started out a golem build.
As it is natural, i ended to trade in order to buy the primordial jewels i needed.
A guy was selling a primordial harmony jewel at 60c (market value was 80-90).
When i sent the whisper for the trade, he replied back telling me "Go elsewere to scum troglodyte. At the end, 100 chaos costs around 3 pounds"

A trade procedure where, since you pushed the buy option (online or not), that item is transfered to your stash, will solve baviour like that, and trade manipulation or scum problems.
add trade seach into client and remove bots more often or hire more ppl that will monitor and remove/seach bots
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