Right clicking intensifies

☑ Pathfinder
☑ T-value abuse
☑ Volatile Dead
☑ Fireball


GIF shows Fireball avg damage with Faster Proj and Ele Focus without Ele Overload, in hideout, recovery comes from flasks.
Peak Indigon increased spell damage buff is 5000%, realistically most of the time around 2000-3000% (what do you mean grand spectrum was op?!)
Not min-maxed, still working on it.





Stats:
lvl95
8444 ES with shield, 6325 ES DW
60-90k avg Fireball damage
50-80k avg VD damage
40% fire pen
-15% cast speed
163-241% movement speed
54% flask effect, +50% mana recovery from flask
864 * 1.54 * 1.5 = 1996 mana gain per flask use
33% reduced flask charges used, 20% chance to not consume -> only 4,2 charges used each time
so each flask contains around 19 000 mana not accounting for any regained flask charges
as the gif shows in practice with the flask regen this allows for about 30 seconds of straight spamming,

Not using Watcher's Eye yet, best mod would be Clarity ES which would give around 2k ES, the other mods are not important for this build. Still fairly low attack speed, barely any useful enchants, low penetration. Build is good against tanks, zerphi builds, not good against other offscreeners. It can outrun opponent's VD balls.


PoB: https://pastebin.com/0T6Jyc97

Tree: https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/3.2.0/AAAABAIDABzchxP_ECpN74hXycjwnrdEDe_rjxqGs_4JN4PveheWsnAs6evu6-TnCumY6QJUguq6fVvi99-YEVCnKzdmpwim6x8YkNZ716xH037QH80WSsi4k5u1hMWv6x8Co-_2o4MJoS-wC3cHCpvEog5cHU9_gMNtVkicpGKVTLOIW76AvKpJscedtAzK04UyFSDXz9gk8W2-ijW5l_QDljdMOyhFfpeVe8OXLQQHbRl0rpARNAoNfFxrXyoBb4t6iq9vCI9GJyFLrj8nUUx460lPbj1q-mBDRnE2xfk3b56ESCpTykoknQHR2VtfsCymKPpiWhslAO6VyFH7RIqTJw==
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"You have great power. You're right to be proud. It's unfortunate you have to die now, but I will honor you with 45% of my strength."
#% chance to Recover 10% of Maximum Mana when you use a Skill

Isnt this a very easy way to get crazy mana "regen" on a poets pen char? You can use a watcher's eye and essence amu even on a pathfinder.
Correct me I am wrong markusz and if your build is better than I think about talisman zerphies, but I doubt you can kill them with 3 link poet pen.

Been doing my own version of a similar build and could not kill them. Also yes the build because of poet pen mechanism is not best vs kb players who can shoot you before the first spell is activated.


Poe Pvp experience
https://youtu.be/Z6eg3aB_V1g?t=302
Last edited by Head_Less on Apr 1, 2018, 11:09:12 AM
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lapiz wrote:
#% chance to Recover 10% of Maximum Mana when you use a Skill

Isnt this a very easy way to get crazy mana "regen" on a poets pen char? You can use a watcher's eye and essence amu even on a pathfinder.


No, those numbers are simply too low, 25% total chance for 10% recovery, on average 2.5% of mana pool per attack, but KB is using 50-100% of mana pool per attack, and I'm not sure it even procs when it falls back to the default attack at too high mana costs. With flasks I already hit another cap, when the attack has bigger mana cost than my entire mana pool, so I could only improve this mana-wise by increasing max mana further.
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Head_Less wrote:
I think it is not as strong as markusz make it to be, not with poet pen.

The real zerphi tanks, those using EA + talisman will not die from this.
I have been using a build similar to this the last days, testing all kind of damage and skills.

I even tested a slow ass flameblast with staff to see the dps with indigon(50-90k FB tooltype lel).

yes dps tooltype is great but with 3 link items you won t kill Putin or PKK guy with it.IT will not kill talisman players.

As of today I think to kill talisman zerphis it would be only possible if you can to combine enough attack speed with poet pen and some lightning aoe non projectile spells.

Also poet pen have a delay between KB and the first fireball. Players like Rupenus using KB will 1 shot you before you can fire the first fireball and even if you fire it before them, Their attack speed is so high they will land a kill before you can hit them.

Correct me I am wrong markusz and if your build is better than I think about talisman zerphies


If you don't show any gear or detail of your build, I can only assume you had a bad setup.

I don't know the gear of the people I recently fought, but in 3.1 I dueled someone with one of the highest defences, nearly capped spell block, spell dodge, full fire to cold conversion talisman, 40-50% chance to avoid cold damage when hit, and I had much lower tooltip then cus no Indigon, and I was still reliably killing him.

If you seriously only see a 3-link skill in poet's pen you don't understand the advantages of it. It gives 3 levels to spells, equal to a level 4 empower. It casts any spell with 3-4 casts per second rate, which with slow spells in a 6L you could only do if you use spell echo/faster casting, so I mean you wouldn't really get much more supports in a 6L either.
I hope I don't have to explain what the negative cast speed does, casting out spells with T-value of 1, at an actualy rate of 3-4 with poet's pen.

And the most important synergy in this build is that with Poet's Pen you are not getting stopped by insufficient mana cost, you are still casting the spells when it falls back to default attack.

Also you are not really missing much stats from weapons, no need for cast speed, %spell damage the build has a ton, and flat added damage is not that significant on Fireball/VD, cus they have a really high base damage. I did start to roll some shaper weapons tho as an offhand statstick for Poet, with flat damage, % of ele gained as chaos, and global penetration.

There is no delay at all in casting spells with Poet's Pen, it can actually be faster than self casting with good attack speed.

The problem is the inherent properties of spells, such as slow projectile speed or range, which have been always worse than attack projectiles, so you need to stack proj speed and movement speed.
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Here's my take on Indigon

https://pastebin.com/XcdGx089
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Last edited by 0flip on Apr 1, 2018, 12:33:07 PM
Marlusz sometime you seem a little too cranky.

I asked a legit question as in sarn eu those days players with zerphi EA and few zerphi VD are using talisman and are tanky enough to swallow my 80-100+k tooltype vd/fireball indigon.

You don t need to feel attacked as I believe you when you say in 3.1 you could even beat people like fyndel and co.


This build version being new I just ask if it can perform as good as your non indigon build against those players.

concerning negative cast speed,

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as you see I also used it. My mana cost on kb is 440 in a 3l using multiple fevered mind and I use low life+RF.I also have 9k mana pool with 6l and 8k with poet pen (it is 3l coz I keep failing 5l it :( but was 4l with 500mana when testing in sarn)

I understand Poet pen is not a real "3l" however I had doubt about indigon builds using them succesfuly against talisman zerphi ea.

If you tell me it work good on your build after I posed the question I have no doubt anymore but please don t be that cranky haha.


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Last edited by lolozori on Apr 1, 2018, 1:10:04 PM
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Also poet pen have a delay between KB and the first fireball. Players like Rupenus using KB will 1 shot you before you can fire the first fireball and even if you fire it before them, Their attack speed is so high they will land a kill before you can hit them.


he also explained that the build can be a bit weak vs offscreeners.

so as a noob who doesn't understand how these stuff works, does it takes 6 seconds for you to get to your maximum damage?

at 4000% spell damage that's the X-Y you get according to the pob: 193k-289k. Here we are assuming the opponent has 0% resists, That's roughly what a top gear KB build would have with KB against a opponent with 0% resists(i have 140-285k, with 32% crit and 354% multi) If we take resistances into account: 92k - 131k is the X-Y we get on your build with fireball. and KB is at 87k-180k after i set opponent's resists at 84%.


the most important thing is that the build has 3.12 attack speed. With KB i used to play with X-330k Y damage while having 3.60 attack speed and i was having problems while dealing with zerphi builds. Killing Zerphi builds isn't about having the highest Y damage cause you can't rely on it due to high interval between X and Y damage. it's about having more attack speed than they have(if they have 3.80, having like 4.20) and attacking twice(or stacking aoe at some point twice) before their zerphi life gain kicks in, OR stacking explosions as many as possible with high attack speed so they get instagib'd if they interfere to that area.(vs EA zerphi, that's the win condition) So 4+ attack speed is very important to have vs zerphi also it reduces their chances to kite the explosions with body swap since they are occuring more often. Still according to my tests 260k Y(tests has been done with 86% penetration and yes at pob resistances were set to 0) damage is necessary to have, so i believe with fireball you will have hard time while dealing zerphi but with VD you have more chances.(5 or 10 instances even can hit at the same time) On top of that i don't know how you gain your block chance reduction and dodge reduction too with this build. One last thing is fireball has low proj speed, even with KB(which is faster than fireball by default) to be able to maximize the effective damage, i have 45% proj speed.

These are the problems, i think you can solve the attack speed problem, you can get more penetration by using a different amulet and sacrificing some tankiness(Which doesn't really matter in this meta). Maybe you can get 10% pen on your boots too? I don't know how necessary is to have that enchantment on your boots. (relith can run for you in 1 day)

a nice indigon build however, most problems are due to build being low budget, i'm looking forward to see this build in action.
"You have great power. You're right to be proud. It's unfortunate you have to die now, but I will honor you with 45% of my strength."
Last edited by Rupenus on Apr 1, 2018, 1:59:04 PM
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lolozori wrote:
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I don't feel attacked, I just think his arguments were not on point, he questioned using Poet's Pen when that is the strongest item in this build, and I already took the time and explained why. He initially made a lot of unfounded assumptions as you can see me quoting him, but he edited them out.

There are a lot more important factors than just raw tooltip damage, how consistently you keep your buff, how much penetration/total cast speed you use, what is your attack rate, do you have helmet enchant, do you use BCR, do they have any block/dodge at all etc.

I still have to play a lot more, but so far it seems really strong, and imo one of the best options against tanks, with enough pre-casted VD balls it offers the highest burst damage, which you need against them. There are of course other possible alternatives, traps/mines etc, but that's nothing new, so there is no point on showcasing them again, while Poet Indigon is not that easy to understand at first sight for most people, that's why I posted it.
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