(3.12) Toxic Rain + Caustic Arrow | 5-10m Sirus DPS | Fast + Durable | 50c Budget/SSF Uber Elder

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nico5051 wrote:
I'm a tooltip warrior, I know, but why, according to this guide this bow:



Is better than this




But I lose like 1k dps in the tooltip


Gem levels are almost always better than flat damage this is especially true after Lv20 in a lot of gems. Just take a look at the BASE difference in TR 20 and 22:
20 Damage Effectiveness 73% Damage Multiplier 72.8% Chaos DPS 285.1
21 Damage Effectiveness 74% Damage Multiplier 74% Chaos DPS 316.2
22 Damage Effectiveness 75% Damage Multiplier 75.2% Chaos DPS 350.6


Also this is a bloom based (DoT) damage build, which your tooltip doesn't really factor well at all.


That makes sense, thanks
In case anyone is leveling I threw together a gem chart for where to pick up your gems as a shadow

Act 1
Enemy At the Gate (Run Ranger through brutus get Caustic Arrow + Lesser Poison and bow plus a few wis)
Lesser Poison Support - Enemy at the Gate Act 1 (1 wis)
Caustic Arrow - Enemy at the Gate Vendor 1 wis

Mercy Mission
Onslaught - Mercy Mission Reward Act 1 Nessa)
Mirage Archer 4 - Mercy Mission Vendor 1 wisdom (Act 1)
Volley Level 4 - Mercy Mission Reward/Vendor 1 wis

Dash level 4 - Breaking Some Eggs Reward (1 wis)

The Caged Brute
Void Manipulation 8 - The Caged Brute Reward (Act 1)
Blink Arrow Level 10 - Caged Brute Vendor (1 transmute)
Clarity Level 10 Caged Brute - 1 transmute
Flame Dash Level 10 - Caged Brute (1 transmute)
Wither Level 10 - The Caged Brute Vendor (1 transmute)
Withering Step level 10 - The Caged Brute Reward (1 Transmute)
Ballista Totem Support 8 - The Caged Brute (1 Transmute)

Toxic Rain 12 - The Siren's Cadence Nessa Vendor 1 Transmute (Act 1)

Act 2
Faster Casting level 18 - Sharp and Cruel Reward (Act 2)


Act 3
Malevolence Level 24 - Lost in Love - 1 alt
Despair Level 24 - Lost in Love Act 3
Swift Affliction 31 - A Fixture of Fate Reward Act 3
Efficacy 31 - A fixture of Fate Vendor 1 Orb of Chance
Second Wind Level 31 - A Fixture of Fate (Orb of Chance)
Skitterbots Level 16 - Intruders in Black Reward - 1 alt

Library
Vicious Projectiles 18 - Library or Lily 1 Alteration
Flesh and Stone Level 16 - Library/Lilly
Spell Totem - Library/Lilly (1 Transmute)
Increased Duration Level 31 - Library/Lilly (orb of chance)

Act 4
Greater Multiple Proj 38 - The Eternal Nightmare (petarus/vanja)
Withering Touch Level 38 - The Eternal Nightmare (1 alch)
Multiple Totem Support 38 - Lilly Act 6 (1 Alch)
CWDT Level 38 - The Eternal Nightmare (1 alch)
Immortal Call Level 34 - Breaking the Seal Act 4 (Orb of Chance)

Act 6 Lilly
Multiple Totem Support 38 - Lilly Act 6 (1 Alch)

Hey not sure if this has been pointed out or asked before. But in your Belt's abyssal jewel you have increased damage over time with a 2 hand weapon. But further down you say that that modifier doesnt apply to us since we dont attack with the bow directly. So should i look for an abyssal jewel that has normal damage over time or should i look for something else on it?
Question about the new Toxic Rain alternate quality gem, does the 20% debuff effect just effect the hinder (so it would be 8% per pod slow instead of 10% per pod)

Would it also reduce the total slow speed (capped at 60) so would it just take more pods to get the max slow or would the max be reduced by 12% as well?

And of course most importantly is the debuff the dot?
Will I need all my respec points?

I just realised I missed lethal assault, and just levelled up and spent it on the 10 INT node next to it, kicking myself.

The sensible thing would probably be to just leave it and grab it next, right? I shouldn't use a respec point on this?

I'm not sure if we use the points to gain points back for things at end game or not.
Tyrs Paladium - DoT Enthusiast.
Last edited by Umbral_Spectre on Sep 21, 2020, 12:13:25 AM
can confirm the beastcrafting method is fucked up this league had cannot roll attack mods and did the beastcraft and it gave my bow mana leech :( rip exalt
guys the best way to craft +2 bow gems and + 1 gem level is using delve crafting: 1 Metallic Fossil + Jagged Fossil + Corroded Fossil will take you like 4 tries, i get mine in my first trie
Question: How are y'all using Blink Arrow? Without actively thinking about it, I just don't tend to use it much, since I already have withering step & dash... it doesn't share a cooldown with those, but I still just don't use it often, so it feels like a bit of a waste, especially since culling strike is attached to it. Thoughts/tips?

Also, do we prefer blood stance or sand stance for flesh & stone?

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Helkor wrote:
Been unable to find information on this anywhere, but what is the function of withering step in this build?

Is it used offensively?
Is it used for movement speed?

I guess it potentially would be better movement speed than using dash repeatedly because we have No Witnesses and related passives?
I'm not far enough into the tree to really experiment with that yet...

Currently I think it's quite awkward, but I'll keep it for now, and see how I feel about it later.

How do you play with it?


It's useful for extra movespeed, for phasing through packs of enemies (especially helpful when escaping a heist!), and to apply the Withered debuff on bosses (even if you have the totem setup, withering step applies several stacks at once). The elusive buff is a nice boost to dodge chance as well.

So I use it basically whenever I use a quicksilver for the movespeed + phasing and when I need to move through enemies, and also against bosses as the last skill of my combo- (TR to start mirage archer, raise totems if you didn't do so beforehand, cast Despair, then withering step, run near enough to the boss to tag it, then focus on dodging while your DoTs do their thing/you need to recast part of the combo. (You leave withering step for last so you get more uptime on its buffs, since it wears off as soon as you use another skill.)

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Will I need all my respec points?


Probably only for cluster jewels, if you use them; you can go straight for the end tree otherwise. But it's not like one orb of regret is that big a deal anyway?
Last edited by Sorator13 on Sep 21, 2020, 3:15:43 AM
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Sorator13 wrote:
Question: How are y'all using Blink Arrow? Without actively thinking about it, I just don't tend to use it much, since I already have withering step & dash... it doesn't share a cooldown with those, but I still just don't use it often, so it feels like a bit of a waste, especially since culling strike is attached to it. Thoughts/tips?

Also, do we prefer blood stance or sand stance for flesh & stone?

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Helkor wrote:
Been unable to find information on this anywhere, but what is the function of withering step in this build?

Is it used offensively?
Is it used for movement speed?

I guess it potentially would be better movement speed than using dash repeatedly because we have No Witnesses and related passives?
I'm not far enough into the tree to really experiment with that yet...

Currently I think it's quite awkward, but I'll keep it for now, and see how I feel about it later.

How do you play with it?


It's useful for extra movespeed, for phasing through packs of enemies (especially helpful when escaping a heist!), and to apply the Withered debuff on bosses (even if you have the totem setup, withering step applies several stacks at once). The elusive buff is a nice boost to dodge chance as well.

So I use it basically whenever I use a quicksilver for the movespeed + phasing and when I need to move through enemies, and also against bosses as the last skill of my combo- (TR to start mirage archer, raise totems if you didn't do so beforehand, cast Despair, then withering step, run near enough to the boss to tag it, then focus on dodging while your DoTs do their thing/you need to recast part of the combo. (You leave withering step for last so you get more uptime on its buffs, since it wears off as soon as you use another skill.)

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Will I need all my respec points?


Probably only for cluster jewels, if you use them; you can go straight for the end tree otherwise. But it's not like one orb of regret is that big a deal anyway?


yeah true. I've not used my respecs anyway yet, I keep forgetting to grab that node though :D

I've left myself a note for when I next level.
Tyrs Paladium - DoT Enthusiast.


I'm really struggling with damage to kill 4 socket elder slayers, I have about 1ex to spend how could I get enough damage to kill sirus awakening 8? I'm able to kill corrupted T16 bosses just take a little while
Last edited by vanekigraetnow on Sep 21, 2020, 2:57:48 PM

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