[3.10] Immortal CI Guardian(Ascendant) support.15-19 auras. Lag friendly. Solo play viable.

The Grandmaster Nuk which build u inspired from, answer me and then suddenly
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PaM3U wrote:


I got 3-5 voices setup, any upgardes for me ??


-5L Chest and adding Empower to it. Not too expensive.
Link it to Damage auras Wrath/Anger/Hatred/Zealotry
Can replace Clarity or Determination for the empower

-Can drop Purity of Elements to save mana for that above upgrade and a socket

-Could Upgrade helm to a Hubris
If its +2 as well like (helm bellow) you can even upgrade sin treks to a good rare.

Otherwise +2 Corruption on Sin Trek

possible upgrades for Boots Synthesized 10% Reduced reservation for something like Discipline or wtvr aura saves you the most mana.



Also, i really like your addition of tempest shield in scepter thats a nice idea!

and then annihilate me so hard lolz
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_Nuk wrote:
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PaM3U wrote:
U can go empower into victario but it will remove 1 aura (deter for example) so u must give her the slot and rmr lolz. Alpha vs hubris is hard question . I like freeze immun , cheap +2 , a lot of dodge and armor and +3 rmr vs hubris. If i want to change alpha on hubris so i must drop 1)Aurora aegis or 2)int+shield split personalities, armor bottle instead of freeze immun. Boots its just common choice for new voices setup.


You can always drop purity of elements like i said, its not really needed, and it will be more dps linking empower to dmg auras instead vs the dmg purity of elements provides.

Alpha's doesn't really great Armour tho? and the evasion is sorta negligible compared to what grace gives, you do lose 3% rmr but if you wanna min max you can get those on jewels.

Wiith the amount of "Pure X" notables you have i find it hard to believe you'll have mana issues.

Im running only 1x Pure Aptitude and 1x Sublime form.
Allows me to run 5x First among Equals and 9x Vengeful Commanders but

I am not running Purity of Elements nor am i Running Determination tho. Since 1. Purity of Elements offers nothing outside of Necro's Attack speed buff and the dmg from weapon. Empower + Dmg auras is much better dps than that

if i were to invest more into RMR (which i personally dont want to/need to) OR drop 1 vengeful commander for another Pure X resvation notable i would 100% be able to run it and Determination

as to why im not running determination. same as purity of elements it gives MORE Armour, doenst matter how much more it gives if everyone has near 0 base armour. So it comes back to the same as purity of elements, only it costs a fortune more. Unless your playing an armout stacking marauder or something Determination does nothing (and if you are chances are Zealotry or Malevolence does nothing in that case and can be droped)

Also your Determination is Victario's meaning you are NOT affected by it, so you actually personally dont gain any bonuses from it to your Rumi's armour so your argument is flawed there too.

You can also save A LOT of mana by droping calrity 21 from chest and running a levle 1-10 or something outside. and running Haste in chest.

Theres A LOT of gem swapping/setup you can change to save mana and be more effient while also giving more DPS, IMO you over capped alot on reservation and yet still cant fit hubrid/empower. thats just weird but hey its all up to you if you think its best you keep doing you.

lastly +2 Sin Trek is very cheap also. so that argument is also invalid. crafitng a +2 5%RMR Enchanted Hubris is probably cheaper than a enchanted alpha's so in anycase these are my twocents on the matter. you are welcomed to do what ever from here on.

Personally
im at 8.3kes (NO Clairty Watchers as extra es EYE its 9.6k with one),
Capped Attack Block,
over 35k eva with flask,
202% aura effect + 9 Vengeful Commanders (this is 521% Aura effect for Wrath/Anger and 561% for hatred)
running every aura expect Det/Purity of Elements (since they do practically nothing comapred to otherways to scale)
and level 28~29 Dmg Auras in chest.

on top of all that im necro and have 7 less points to spend then you and took 3 Large Clusters. so even less points into ES than you. so you cant complain about point starvation.

Edit:

Here's my POB at your Level and with Clarity WE.
https://pastebin.com/A5QpqF3v
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Not worthy Things to see here

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Hatred -> 135% More Cold Danage // 196% of Physical Damage as Extra Cold Damage

Wrath -> adds 159 to 2550 Lightning dmg to attacks // 146% MOre Lightning Spell Damage

Anger -> Adds 1119 to 1596 Fire Damage to Attacks // Adds 1023 to 1437 Fire Damage to Spells


FOr contrast your Hatred/Wrath/Anger give :

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Hatred -> 76% More Cold Danage // 107% of Physical Damage as Extra Cold Damage

Wrath -> adds 76 to 1224 Lightning dmg to attacks // 80% MOre Lightning Spell Damage

Anger -> Adds 537 to 764 Fire Damage to Attacks // Adds 488 to 687 Fire Damage to Spells


which are all just over half of mine. This isnt counting Zealotry Haste inherit %more damage and %inc dmg necro provides over sicon as well as 50% more attack and cast speed over scion.

Yes your Discpline and Grace give more than mine as well but if you wanna go the defensive route, you should be able to hit over 15k es with better gear as mentioned above because right now you only have 1k es more for the cost of moooore than half the dps.



Can u comment his advices?
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PaM3U wrote:
The Grandmaster Nuk which build u inspired from, answer me and then suddenly
Spoiler
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_Nuk wrote:
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PaM3U wrote:


I got 3-5 voices setup, any upgardes for me ??


-5L Chest and adding Empower to it. Not too expensive.
Link it to Damage auras Wrath/Anger/Hatred/Zealotry
Can replace Clarity or Determination for the empower

-Can drop Purity of Elements to save mana for that above upgrade and a socket

-Could Upgrade helm to a Hubris
If its +2 as well like (helm bellow) you can even upgrade sin treks to a good rare.

Otherwise +2 Corruption on Sin Trek

possible upgrades for Boots Synthesized 10% Reduced reservation for something like Discipline or wtvr aura saves you the most mana.



Also, i really like your addition of tempest shield in scepter thats a nice idea!

and then annihilate me so hard lolz
Spoiler
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_Nuk wrote:
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PaM3U wrote:
U can go empower into victario but it will remove 1 aura (deter for example) so u must give her the slot and rmr lolz. Alpha vs hubris is hard question . I like freeze immun , cheap +2 , a lot of dodge and armor and +3 rmr vs hubris. If i want to change alpha on hubris so i must drop 1)Aurora aegis or 2)int+shield split personalities, armor bottle instead of freeze immun. Boots its just common choice for new voices setup.


You can always drop purity of elements like i said, its not really needed, and it will be more dps linking empower to dmg auras instead vs the dmg purity of elements provides.

Alpha's doesn't really great Armour tho? and the evasion is sorta negligible compared to what grace gives, you do lose 3% rmr but if you wanna min max you can get those on jewels.

Wiith the amount of "Pure X" notables you have i find it hard to believe you'll have mana issues.

Im running only 1x Pure Aptitude and 1x Sublime form.
Allows me to run 5x First among Equals and 9x Vengeful Commanders but

I am not running Purity of Elements nor am i Running Determination tho. Since 1. Purity of Elements offers nothing outside of Necro's Attack speed buff and the dmg from weapon. Empower + Dmg auras is much better dps than that

if i were to invest more into RMR (which i personally dont want to/need to) OR drop 1 vengeful commander for another Pure X resvation notable i would 100% be able to run it and Determination

as to why im not running determination. same as purity of elements it gives MORE Armour, doenst matter how much more it gives if everyone has near 0 base armour. So it comes back to the same as purity of elements, only it costs a fortune more. Unless your playing an armout stacking marauder or something Determination does nothing (and if you are chances are Zealotry or Malevolence does nothing in that case and can be droped)

Also your Determination is Victario's meaning you are NOT affected by it, so you actually personally dont gain any bonuses from it to your Rumi's armour so your argument is flawed there too.

You can also save A LOT of mana by droping calrity 21 from chest and running a levle 1-10 or something outside. and running Haste in chest.

Theres A LOT of gem swapping/setup you can change to save mana and be more effient while also giving more DPS, IMO you over capped alot on reservation and yet still cant fit hubrid/empower. thats just weird but hey its all up to you if you think its best you keep doing you.

lastly +2 Sin Trek is very cheap also. so that argument is also invalid. crafitng a +2 5%RMR Enchanted Hubris is probably cheaper than a enchanted alpha's so in anycase these are my twocents on the matter. you are welcomed to do what ever from here on.

Personally
im at 8.3kes (NO Clairty Watchers as extra es EYE its 9.6k with one),
Capped Attack Block,
over 35k eva with flask,
202% aura effect + 9 Vengeful Commanders (this is 521% Aura effect for Wrath/Anger and 561% for hatred)
running every aura expect Det/Purity of Elements (since they do practically nothing comapred to otherways to scale)
and level 28~29 Dmg Auras in chest.

on top of all that im necro and have 7 less points to spend then you and took 3 Large Clusters. so even less points into ES than you. so you cant complain about point starvation.

Edit:

Here's my POB at your Level and with Clarity WE.
https://pastebin.com/A5QpqF3v
Spoiler



Not worthy Things to see here

"
Hatred -> 135% More Cold Danage // 196% of Physical Damage as Extra Cold Damage

Wrath -> adds 159 to 2550 Lightning dmg to attacks // 146% MOre Lightning Spell Damage

Anger -> Adds 1119 to 1596 Fire Damage to Attacks // Adds 1023 to 1437 Fire Damage to Spells


FOr contrast your Hatred/Wrath/Anger give :

"
Hatred -> 76% More Cold Danage // 107% of Physical Damage as Extra Cold Damage

Wrath -> adds 76 to 1224 Lightning dmg to attacks // 80% MOre Lightning Spell Damage

Anger -> Adds 537 to 764 Fire Damage to Attacks // Adds 488 to 687 Fire Damage to Spells


which are all just over half of mine. This isnt counting Zealotry Haste inherit %more damage and %inc dmg necro provides over sicon as well as 50% more attack and cast speed over scion.

Yes your Discpline and Grace give more than mine as well but if you wanna go the defensive route, you should be able to hit over 15k es with better gear as mentioned above because right now you only have 1k es more for the cost of moooore than half the dps.



Can u comment his advices?

Wow, the mighty Nuk actually replied. Well, he builds around offensive auras, which is understandable, but i try to be tanky, make people tanky and only after those 2 aspects i maximize the DPS. That determination in chest gives people 12%aps 12% inc dmg and 6% phys res, which is pretty important IMO. Veng commander doesn't affect smite, which is a bummer, coz it gives same damage as Wrath(not to mention zealotry and haste). You also stole my comment(never fucking do that) about Aurora version while talking about Full voices version, so he corrected you on armour(fucker didn't reply to immunity which is big thing actually). Got to hand it to him tho, with enough RMR corrupted jewels and x2 immunity from watcher's eye, that helmet is in fact better than alpha and those synth boots are interesting aswell.

About his char: no phys res in any kind or form(not for him, not for carry)
35 spell block omegalul, +151 ms is way way too low, he can't cast shit on no regen maps, no bleed removal or immunity. But sure thing, he does give some(not all) builds 1.3-1.4 of your dps increase at what cost tho.

P.S. I used to like him, i took a lot of good tips and advices from his ascendant build, but that guy stepped into some real darkness, man.
Vaal Pact is dead, long live Vaal Pact!
Last edited by Kek_is_love on Aug 9, 2020, 4:39:59 PM
So should I remove purity of elements and move low-lvl clarity to weapon slot so i can 5link and empower the chest?
Im on crossroad now. Its so simple but so lethal, i have a lot of currency and dont know what to do with it ..
Ran this build around 2 leauges ago, sad to see the nerf since i enjoy templar overall. Much thanks tho for a detailed guide seems like it will be sicon or nerco next leauge.


+1

now i pulled off purity of elements and move clarity to the shield. Got 6 link chest with empower, Got around 14k es, and no free mana now.
I think im nearly done with the build so far
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PaM3U wrote:

now i pulled off purity of elements and move clarity to the shield. Got 6 link chest with empower, Got around 14k es, and no free mana now.
I think im nearly done with the build so far
I told you, you need immunity or 2 on your watcher to remove alpha. You are not freeze immune right now
Vaal Pact is dead, long live Vaal Pact!

i went further and bought RMR watcher's eye with shock immun and swap shock flask to freeze . now i need to craft this boots and put somethin in the free slot.
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PaM3U wrote:

i went further and bought RMR watcher's eye with shock immun and swap shock flask to freeze . now i need to craft this boots and put somethin in the free slot.
Nice amulet XD
Vaal Pact is dead, long live Vaal Pact!
ye the amu is good . pls guve me advice to manage my new stuff

Last edited by PaM3U on Aug 16, 2020, 12:05:29 AM
Thank you for your amazing guide!
Hope you continue making it next league tho.

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