Atlas Changes in 3.10.0

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RaZeR_90 wrote:
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xeotech wrote:
Reflect damage is pure toxic cancer waste of time. This is a fossil of an old era. You had your cute little fun with making people die with this pure cheese tactic mod. Get rid of it.

Cannot regenerate Mana/Life/Energy shield is obnoxious toxic cancerous map mod. Complete and total nonsensical cheese mod showing lazy design effort without thinking about repercussions to builds.


All Path of Exile players says "THIS!"


Hell no.
Just give us a way to avoid unwanted maps , this "obligation" thing is killing the fun
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Last edited by Freyr_SWH on Mar 4, 2020, 6:29:31 PM
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RaZeR_90 wrote:
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xeotech wrote:
Reflect damage is pure toxic cancer waste of time. This is a fossil of an old era. You had your cute little fun with making people die with this pure cheese tactic mod. Get rid of it.

Cannot regenerate Mana/Life/Energy shield is obnoxious toxic cancerous map mod. Complete and total nonsensical cheese mod showing lazy design effort without thinking about repercussions to builds.


All Path of Exile players says "THIS!"


No regen ? make a leech build, equip a mana flask for when skill without hitting ennemies
damage reflect mod ? use a sextant to counteract it or have a chaos build, or a pure phys build for ele reflect, and an elemental build for phys reflect...

Pure elemental builds are popular. Pure phys builds are very viable even if not the strongest atm, still lots of fun.

Stop whinning because you can't do all maps with a single build. POE is made to have build variety.
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Marluxiar wrote:

Stop whinning because you can't do all maps with a single build. POE is made to have build variety.

No! PoE last years is made to play meta-builds and the best you can do is to play minion builds - they provide great survivability and massive DPS. This is why at least 1/3 of people plays a necro-build every league. There are also few other meta builds which are playable... and other "variety" is 1% or less because they are not efficient and do not provide any joy.
Thoughts on the manifesto, if ggg reads the thread until here :
You addressed a lot of questions that emerged from the new endgame and the 3.10 planned changes.
But.

You have to give us a good solution for target map farming and shaped atlas. Imagine this situation : a noobie comes to a big streamer doing targeted map farm by planning to not complete some maps. He asks "how can i do the same ?". The answer is : "you cannot little newbie, because you completed maps you should'nt have to do target map farm, and now you can either deal with it or make a new account" and thus the noob felt really bad about missing an opportunity.

For this you can either make it totally impossible to target farm a map, or you can make it very hard, and expensive, to target farm a map,
But never make it possible to do AND possible to permanently mess up your atlas.

I like the idea of making everyone do all maps, because that's what i do. I love change of sceneries, monsters, musics, lights, bosses, etc.
But as an occasionnal SSF player, being able to target farm a map for div cards is really nice too !

I have no idea how you could prevent people from shaping their atlas for target map farm, and i have no idea how you could prevent people from "breaking" their atlas without giving us back the carthographer's seal. But i have faith. Please surprise us.


Second question that was not addressed in this manifesto :
Now with the awakening of the atlas, the increased map mod difficulty will be permanent on all the atlas once we do awakening bonuses.
So how am i supposed to do easy maps with a new low level build just after kitava if i have a fully awakened atlas ?!

Situation : In hardcore, i succeed a lot with my first build and get a bunch of awakened maps. Atlas becomes harder, and i somehow die to a boss slam because i'm super slow minded (i hate my life lol i always die like that).
Now i make a new build which will be CI, i'm lvl 70 i killed kitava but don't have enough currency to buy all my ES gear to transition. I have 3600 hp and bad defenses but i need to farm like 20 unid chaos recipes before transitionning.
How am i supposed to survive even in T1 maps with the awakening bonus forced onto me ? Am i supposed to farm blood acqueduct until i get 18 div cards to sell 2 tabulas to finance my build ? that's super sad !! Or maybe farm white maps ? i think i never lauched a white map unless it's corrupted, or to proc the conquerors...


Third question, i never tested it but heard it was possible to have perma conqueror influence on an area if you launch the zana boss map but don't complete it. That's kinda broken ! if it's unintended, i hope it will be addressed.


hope to be read. Kisses
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Mark__75 wrote:

No! PoE last years is made to play meta-builds and the best you can do is to play minion builds - they provide great survivability and massive DPS. This is why at least 1/3 of people plays a necro-build every league. There are also few other meta builds which are playable... and other "variety" is 1% or less because they are not efficient and do not provide any joy.


i played vortex CI then low life, i played mine toxic rain life evasion, i played cremation 10k life and armor, i played poison kinetic blast...

It felt pretty good to clear all the game content in hardcore with almost each build

Don't blame the game if you're too focused on the meta and can't imagine other builds
Imo, Reduced Flask Charges and Reduced Recovery are pretty problematic with the increased map mod effect. The 60% reduced recovery mod goes all the way to 74% with Awakening level 8. That means if your health pot is doing 1k per second, and your leech is doing 1k per second, and your regen is doing 1k per second, and you have all of these rolling at the same time, you will be healing about 750 per second.

Reduced flask charges is both rippy and annoying. That one goes to 62% with Awakening level 8. In order to sustain flask use in maps, there's really only enough density if you're running triple Beyond. Even regular influence with War Among the Stars and 4 sextants will not produce enough density for you to sustain flasks.

Imho, these 2 mods are more are strong contenders for most rippy mods in the game. You basically need triple extra damage with -max to have something that is equal in rippyness to these 2 mods, especially since combined they make other "easy" mods super sippy. Things like vulnerability, ignite and ele weakness become really dangerous when you can't heal and your flasks have a sub 50% uptime.
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ettanportion wrote:
I've spent some money on stash tabs. Don't see how spending makes a difference though. Buying supporter packs is a choice, and it does not mean that your opinion is worth more than someone who didn't spend a dime.

I did support the game without expecting fancy Mtx.

You did BUY stuff, see the difference ?


Yes, people who supported the game are the people who allowed GGG to be what they are right now, giving feedback is not "entitlement", and I feel sad for you if you are not able to comprehend that honestly (and it is ironic to see somebody who barely spent anything saying "game doesn't need you, f*** off" to people who actually supported the game, in case you didn't get it still ).


Being a "toxic whinner" is what you are doing, being toxic to people giving fedback ( because holy shit you are being toxic ).



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Marluxiar wrote:
damage reflect mod ? use a sextant to counteract it or have a chaos build, or a pure phys build for ele reflect, and an elemental build for phys reflect...

Pure elemental builds are popular. Pure phys builds are very viable even if not the strongest atm, still lots of fun.

Stop whinning because you can't do all maps with a single build. POE is made to have build variety.

Reflect is pushing people to NOT play direct damage dealer build, so much for diversity ...


*sigh*

stop whinning about valid criticism because you lack the knowledge/experience to understand it.
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.

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Rumbledinger wrote:

Adding in these Random Map Modifiers that are also unchangeable in comparison to maps make certain nodes in that Biome untouchable further reducing the actual felt reward. (like really? it's a Mine not a Map so why these Mods anyways instead of something unique)


this went uncommented...my thoughts exactly.

I'd like around 10% of all delve biomes to be rerollable.

To reroll a zone mod, throw a chaos orb at the area (not on the path or the actual nodes themselves).

You cannot reroll a zone's mods once your cart has been inside the zone. So, choose wisely and plan ahead...

If the zone has no mods and you want to add mods, you need to use an alc first.

Some zones will never give you the option to reroll them. This is okay, you can just skirt around them.

A zone with a delve boss in it, say aul or architect, will always allow you to reroll it; however, it will always choose from a more rippy and unfun pool of mods: high AOE, ghosted boss, corrupted monsters, curses on players, a high amount of monster damage pen, extra cold or lightning, +1-5 to monster level throughout the zone.

That said you can still reroll from among those as many times as you like. (There will always be 4-6 zone mods in the boss areas, no running "white auls" in delve).

Hopefully rerolling delve zones will bring back some of our favourite zone mods that have been silently retired from the list: Ghosted monsters, beyonders, monsters drop items 1-5 levels higher, steal charges on hit, etc.

As for maps and map mods: Part of the fun of making a build is learning just how far you can warp it, so it "works" in hostile environments like no-leech, reflect, and no-regen. A few builds can run unID'd maps and that's fun too, but it shouldn't be necessary to hire a carry for a third of your red maps.

This is a hint that some of the absolute can't-do mods should be reduced in frequency. Reflect is also something that only enemies get. Where's MY reflect, where I can bounce a barrage of nasty multi-element crap back at Abaxoth or tell Brutus where he can stick his flying hook?
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