COVID-19 Megathread

We're so lucky we own (or owned?) a construction company. We have N95 masks, respirators, and boxes and boxes of gloves in our warehouse. I can't imagine trying to source those right now. basically when I go to grocery store I put on this


And these and toss the gloves before I reenter house



People look at me like WTF as but they actually work better than N95 mask even because those cartridges filter VOCs let alone virus. So I donated most N95 masks to local hospital

I bet when this is all over we're all gonna be "preppers" I know I'll be. Only thing I wish I had was some Tyvec suits and massive food storage so I dont have to go out much. For now I take all my clothes off outside and take shower before exposing myself to family. I basically do shopping for 4 house holds so they don't have to go out. Mine, My parents, my wife's parents and my grandparents.
What happened to the "Don't tread on me" Americans?

It’s easier to fool the masses than to convince them that they are being fooled. -Mark Twain

Give a fish they'll steal a whale. Teach to fish and they'll eat forever.
Last edited by Aim_Deep on Apr 5, 2020, 6:00:01 AM
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So it's not as if I were speaking of something that anyone would confuse for anything else. Dunno about you but I think we can both spend our time better than arguing effectively pointless semantics. Be a good little deathflower and blossom elsewhere.



It is like...
When Anime are localized, the original meaning are diverted to be more appealing to the public. The meaning might be similar but the Translations are Wrong.
Last edited by awesome999 on Apr 5, 2020, 5:45:54 AM
Well, lovely to see someone's finally taking Covid-19 seriously. ^_^

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Just defrosted a serving of my home-made pork chashu and whipped up a bowl of instant tonkotsu ramen with dried nori, frozen corn, and a boiled egg. MMMMMMMMM-HM. Learning how easy chashu pork is to make at home was truly one of the greatest moments of my life. $20 worth of pork belly makes around 8 servings with a bit of soy, ginger, shallots, sugar and 7 hours in the slow cooker. Surprisingly cost effective when you consider even a crappy, dry-as-hell chashu ramen at a restaurant will run a person $14 or so.

I am W James Chan, author of Blackcloak: A Man of His Sword, the novel from which the PoE unique Oni-Goroshi is derived. So if you liked that, give the book a go on Amazon. I think it's pretty good -- but like Her, it isn't to be come at lightly, and it definitely isn't what it first seems to be.
Last edited by Foreverhappychan on Apr 5, 2020, 5:51:42 AM
I bought 100 pairs of gloves. Probably deprived some doctor of them? Whatever, its a free market and they were selling.
Don't forget to prep food and keeping house sterile. CNN and Dr. Sanjay Gupta been doing a good series on this. We have to take it serious but I still think cure is no cure at all as we'll all get it once we are allowed to leave our home again. In meantime we utterly destroy economy. Unless we get super lucky and find a cure really fast.
What happened to the "Don't tread on me" Americans?

It’s easier to fool the masses than to convince them that they are being fooled. -Mark Twain

Give a fish they'll steal a whale. Teach to fish and they'll eat forever.
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I bought 100 pairs of gloves. Probably deprived some doctor of them? Whatever, its a free market and they were selling.


More likely a farmer, who will now have to create new piglets without proper protection. It´s a big market. It´s more likely supply can cope with demand but wouldn´t mind an increase in revenue while the weight of moneypaper lowers.

There are a lot of systemcritical jobs out there, sheering the sheep and tanning the hides for example. I have one buck that needs attention before he goes on a inbreeding spree.

Compare it to a nuclear meltdown of an reactor, noone of the involved scientists engineers technicians electricians whatever went on a instant "We need more money"-strike once that happened, they just threw bodies at it.
Medical crisis, medical responsibility, medics time to shine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h6ZZ28QtX4
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Johny_Snow wrote:
I bought 100 pairs of gloves. Probably deprived some doctor of them? Whatever, its a free market and they were selling.


Unless those gloves are sterile probably not. Medical stuff is different than most rubber/nitrile gloves sold to consumers.

Like those glove I have have a medical version costing double! Instead of $12 a box it's like $25 (prices before pandemic)
What happened to the "Don't tread on me" Americans?

It’s easier to fool the masses than to convince them that they are being fooled. -Mark Twain

Give a fish they'll steal a whale. Teach to fish and they'll eat forever.
Last edited by Aim_Deep on Apr 5, 2020, 6:42:28 AM
Speaking about gloves... you can reuse those disposables if you put them aside for a week. By then if virus in on them it's dead.

Also whatever you touch in public is on those gloves so like your steering wheel, or door handle so try not to touch anything personal with them. I remove them after exiting car and unloading groceries. Then I spray off groceries with bleach mixture and rinse with my now clean hands.
What happened to the "Don't tread on me" Americans?

It’s easier to fool the masses than to convince them that they are being fooled. -Mark Twain

Give a fish they'll steal a whale. Teach to fish and they'll eat forever.
Last edited by Aim_Deep on Apr 5, 2020, 6:56:46 AM
GLITTER.
I am W James Chan, author of Blackcloak: A Man of His Sword, the novel from which the PoE unique Oni-Goroshi is derived. So if you liked that, give the book a go on Amazon. I think it's pretty good -- but like Her, it isn't to be come at lightly, and it definitely isn't what it first seems to be.
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solwitch wrote:
Wearing a mask is a false sense security related to this virus.


Washing your hands improperly gives a false sense of security, yet how many people are doing it correctly? Do we tell people not to wash their hands, or do we attempt to get them to wash properly?

There are ways to properly don and doff masks.
DIY or surgical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRguBAgdq2A
n95 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HluIkTbTBIw
folding n95s like the Aura: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05wyH1-mLGk

Masks can be used for an extended period of time, depending on if they are carefully handled, don't get wet/soiled and are properly stored (not in a plastic bag, which will preserve humidity and keep the virus alive).

If you accidentally touch the outside of the mask, don't touch near your eyes and don't touch the inside of the mask until after you have properly washed your hands. Don't try to sanitize an n95 or surgical mask with bleach or alcohol. Chlorine and alcohol both wreck the electrostatic filtering properties of masks. I won't go into details on sterilizing, or more properly sanitizing masks, because there isn't any consensus yet on how this can be done that is safe, cost effective,reliable and doesn't degrade the mask's ability to filter. There are lots of people testing various methods, and we should probably have good information in a week or two on this.

You can wear a cloth DIY mask over an n95 or surgical mask (it will just make it slightly more difficult to breathe through) and then wash the DIY mask.

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solwitch wrote:
The virus is 0.01 microns small,

0.125 microns
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4369385/

https://www.pptaglobal.org/media-and-information/ppta-statements/1055-2019-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-and-plasma-protein-therapies
You can go ahead and search and you will find 0.1 0.12 or .0125 depending on the degree of accuracy cited in an article.


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solwitch wrote:
fortunately it is not airborne. (The virus does not travel on dust particles).

This is incorrect.

"HCoV-19 remained viable in aerosols throughout the duration of our experiment (180 minutes)
with a reduction in infectious titer 3 hours post-aerosolization"
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v1.full.pdf

While primarily carried as droplets, it is also airborne and is also carried by fomites (which is why you want to wash your hands.) When you cough or sneeze or yell your forceful exhalation creates a wide array of particles and droplets that are dislodged from your lungs, pharynx and mouth/nose.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763852

Here's a tragic example of that. 60 choir members of Skagit Valley Chorale in Washington State rehearsed together on March 10th. Everybody came with their own sheet music and avoided direct physical contact. Hand sanitizer was used at the door. People refrained from the usual hugs and handshakes and tried to keep a certain distance between each other. No one had any symptoms and nobody there was coughing or sneezing. 45 got sick with Covid-19, and 2 died.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak

The CDC has changed its recommendations for when to use airborne and when to use droplet precautions for Covid-19 back and forth several times since the beginning of the year. Doing a nasal swab alone is considered an aerosol generating procedure - airborne - although low risk. Asking someone to produce a sputum sample - coughing - is aerosol generating, airborne and high risk - meaning eye protection, and an n95 or better (PAPR or CAPR)
https://safety.honeywell.com/en-us/products/by-category/respiratory-protection/powered-air-purifying-resp-papr
https://www.maxair-systems.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&layout=item&id=1&Itemid=252

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solwitch wrote:
There is a specific mask that is required N99/N95 Niosh and even so these masks protect down to 3.5 microns...

n95, n99 or FFP2 are tested at 95% plus filtering at 2.5 microns. They filter much smaller particles as well.

"To understand how a particle is captured, one must first consider the movement of air through the filter media. The path of the air around a fiber may be described in terms of imaginary streamlines. Any particle carried by the air may or may not stay within the streamlines depending largely upon the particle's size (aerodynamic diameter). Very large particles (< 100 μm) in slow moving airstreams may settle out due to gravity. However, most respirable particles are too small for this mechanism. Respirable particles above 0.6 μm in diameter are typically captured efficiently by interception and inertial impaction.21 Inertial impaction occurs when a particle cannot follow an air streamline around a fiber because of its inertia and instead impacts into the fiber. In the interception mechanism, the particle holds to the streamline, but that streamline will naturally bring the particle close enough to come in contact with the fiber. In contrast, diffusion is typically very efficient for particles smaller than 0.1 μm. Random movements of air molecules collide with these very small particles and cause them to wander across streamlines until they come in contact with a fiber. Because of the various mechanisms by which particulate filtration occurs, the smallest particles are typically not the most difficult to filter"

https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/409903O/respiratory-protection-against-biohazards.pdf


If you take a look at figure 1 (from the link above) - you will see 92-93% filtering at 0.125 microns



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solwitch wrote:
A DIY mask that people are promoting are ridiculous.

Depending on the material used, a DIY mask offers 58% - to 83%+ protection.


https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/0921A05A69A9419C862FA2F35F819D55/S1935789313000438a.pdf/testing_the_efficacy_of_homemade_masks_would_they_protect_in_an_influenza_pandemic.pdf

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solwitch wrote:

People touch their faces 3000 times a day, imagine wearing a mask? They’re extremely uncomfortable... Asiatic countries wear masks not just for being "polite,’ because the air fucking polluted. So your theory is wrong... What I’m saying is not a theory or a hypothetical, what I’m writing is FACT.

You’re up against WHO and the CDC and a student of molecular biology.

You're up against years of research since SARS, cryo-electron tomography, cryo-electron microscopy, the CDC, 3M's testing labs and numerous other labs from around the world. You are also up against the practical experience and established medical best practices of millions of people who have worked with such diseases over decades.

Keep in mind the CDC's recommendations are partially based on availability of PPE (masks, gloves, gowns, repirators etc). They are aligned to keep the system functioning and viable over the perceived future. They are not set up to be the optimum protection, but what is reliably safe, given the resources available.

Mask work. They protect you and they protect people around you if you are sick. If everyone was wearing one while outside their home, we would greatly reduce the spread of the disease from people who have it, but don't have any symptoms yet. People that wear masks, can and do touch the outside of the mask. That's no worse than touching the outside of your clothes or any other surface. Just wash your hand before touching the inside of the mask. If your eyes get itchy you may want to rub at them with hands that aren't clean. To avoid this when you can't wash your hands immediately, carry a handkerchief or use a clean piece of towel, or the inside of your shirt to dab at your eyes.

It isn't complicated, and it will keep you safer.
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